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baby we're back and look who's got the

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center square it's not paul lind it's

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uap exterior steph

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coming down i'm your host dj on a

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thursday night

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with the legend is in the house but

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before we even get into that first of

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all uh money nathan couldn't be here

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tonight he had some business to take

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care of but you know what you're in the

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capable hands of deb who is smarter than

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i

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everybody else on the show that's

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smarter than i so let's rock up man deb

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what's going on girlfriend hi everyone

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it's been an exciting week i look

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forward to talking to linda about it

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i can't wait man she's a legend all

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right so without further ado uh when i

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say that this girl is my homie i mean

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she really is

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she is from right across the river from

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henderson high school and the three

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towns montrose buchanan over plank she's

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right over there in rockland county i

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believe she said she's from nanuet she's

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she's on the west side of the river i'm

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she has been investigating ufos for

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more also ghosts also murders

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uh and also i want to talk about rock

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formations because when i go hiking in

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the blue mountain reservation i want to

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know what's happening with these rock

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formations so we're going to ask her

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about supporting people put those hands

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together

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for linda legend baby

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the author linda zimmermann

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wow i'm i feel like i should be jumping

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up and down and running around the

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office but uh thank you for that

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uh you're making me want to jump up and

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down because we have been wanting to

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have you on

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for for so long so let me just let the

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cabbies my teammates here say hello to

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you and then we're going to jump right

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into it

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hi linda welcome to the show very glad

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to see you

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thank you very much i am very happy to

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be here

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welcome and yeah likewise i'm looking

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hudson valley sightings especially the

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triangular sightings which is extremely

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fascinating for all um and you know you

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i know you're an author of a couple of

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books whom you know a lot of people may

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or may have not checked into yet i i am

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one of them so i'd like to hear a little

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yeah just all of the above what's going

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on with congress and your thoughts on

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having this conver this conversation now

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after so many years of research and you

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know all of your due diligence with this

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probably uh exciting for you oh it

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definitely is and um it's i guess it's

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better late than never

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uh for congress um they could use a few

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experienced people on the panel however

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linda please we want to bring you out of

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bolster up some courage to say what i

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ridicule of people like pilots that you

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um or you're ridiculing what or you're

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what they've seen

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what i'm going to do right now i'm just

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linda's what deb sent out today which is

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basically linda's amazon

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link in the chat and there's about three

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issues is we're in a bit of a bubble in

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ufo twitter and we're not aware of

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certain people in the community who

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healthier mentally because of not being

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on it but linda would you please just

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your extensive accomplishments could you

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caught up on how many years you've been

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essentially correct i've been doing

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weird topics for almost 30 years now

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every rabbit hole i come across pretty

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the best way to understand and tell the

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story of the paranormal and ufos is to

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experience it

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so i don't spend a lot of time on

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speculation like like some people um i

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go out and try to interview people if

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it's a haunted house i go and

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investigate it if it's a sighting

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as many people as i can um so i do have

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investigator series

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said this is crazy so i come by and you

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know how many you know you know you're

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going to have you don't want some go buy

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it's called hudson valley ufos the best

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george knapp coast to coast baby that's

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because the original gangsters know each

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other like linda and george yeah so it

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was george nori actually who who you

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he liked it but he said he said this

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thing is huge he said if you dropped it

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from a building it would kill somebody

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disclaimer on the book you know danger

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the hudson valley is all about

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everything but um so that i'm very proud

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vital as importance is animal reactions

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i have a much smaller and less dangerous

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unmisunderstood topic in ufology

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animal reactions they can tell us so

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much and maybe we can touch on that a

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little later so that's uh what i do

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later because of the bigfoot discussion

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reactions of those animals in the forest

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when these gentlemen had their sighting

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uh but i wanted to talk i wanted to go

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back to your experience which i read in

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called night sky can you

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help me that um you're

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in the night sky yeah

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that was the first one

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and and that book it details so linda

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devil loved this one linda is in her

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bathrobe after her boyfriend

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sees it and then he turns says go

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outside look at it you see it and then

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he shows up at the house and instead of

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getting changed you hop in the car in

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the winter and chase after it

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essentially yes um well i i was with my

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boyfriend at the time we were living

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together and somebody else had called

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change when you're seeing these three

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bizarre round yellow white lighted craft

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flying silently

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past you you jump in the car and you go

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i was later many years later to find out

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i had missing time

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during that incident but we ultimately

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followed it to um we went to a state

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and these craft looked like they were

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going to collide

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and they did come together in this

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brilliant blue green flash they didn't

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blow up they came together

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and lowered onto the top of this

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mountain and at this point a state

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what's a 19 year old girl in a red furry

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bathrobe doing in a state park with this

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after hours i might mind you yes yes

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so um i explained we saw this i said

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just turn around and look and the top of

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this mountain is pulsing green blue

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light he didn't want any part of that

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he's like get out of here now

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and we took off and he blew by us so

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he didn't yeah he did not want to deal

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so that is my red furry bathrobe talk

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about legend

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without a doubt

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if if not for all the other things one

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thing before i pass it to deb and and

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the thing you know you talked about you

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being a researcher and you said i want

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to know i want to go to these places

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uh and you you went out there and you

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actually hiked up there the next day yes

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yeah and there were a lot of broken and

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burned branches

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and um

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i you know i i couldn't say that's why

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the branches were broken but it

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certainly looked as though something had

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landed something solid

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had landed on the top of that hill

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that's uh

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and man that that is uh that's a lot a

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lot grander than my sighting so let me

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pass it over to debs

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while i imagine uh the only thing you're

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missing is if you would wore the

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bathrobe up to hike up in the forest but

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anyway go ahead

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i guess i'm um curious about what got

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you into this like what kind of pushed

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you into doing this work um it sounds

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like obviously you've discovered there's

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like a lot to

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unpack just in the hudson valley alone

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and a whole bunch of other things you've

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been working on but what kind of pushed

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you

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well

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growing up in the hudson valley i i

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thought all of this was normal because

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it happened so often just about

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everybody knew of a haunted place and

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ufo sightings

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i won't say were common but they were

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not unusual

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so i thought

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that's the way the world is ufos fly

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through the sky

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all around the world and they do but not

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with the frequency of the hudson valley

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so

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the big push probably came in the 1980s

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um

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with the great hudson valley wave where

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from 83 to 86

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their any night of the week could have

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five thousand witnesses

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uh seeing massive silent triangles

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hovering directly over them it was just

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unprecedented and i always compare it to

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the uh phoenix lights which was

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a tremendous sighting it was one night

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that was a typical night of the week

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that's a tuesday in 1985

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um here it was just

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um before i i'm going to pass it over to

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um

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to steph but i just want to ask you did

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you find in in terms of frequency

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between and but by the way ufo thinker

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frank

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is uh he has a podcast in the uk and if

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he asks you to be on

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linda i can't i can't recommend him

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highly enough he's such a

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a gentleman he's very thoughtful but

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he's really into this topic and was

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excited you were coming on in terms of

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the v-shaped craft versus the

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triangular craft the equilateral

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triangles that you noticed any disparity

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in the numbers of those two in terms of

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the

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predominant of craft shape i think

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during the

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wave of the 80s was the solid

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equilateral triangle

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but a close second

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actually two close seconds were the

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v-shaped which is something i saw in 88

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just massive rounded lights on this

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v-shaped silent craft just

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gliding silently by

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and then the boomerang

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a lot of people referred to the wave as

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the westchester boomerang for

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westchester county it was a

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boomerang-shaped craft brightly lit a

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lot of lights

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so um i think

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the solid equilateral winds by a nose

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but the other two there were a lot of

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them as well

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and that yeah and i'm i was curious

371
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about that because of uh you know that

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people are still seeing triangles and

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we'll get into that but i don't want to

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take any more oxygen away from my

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homegirl experiencer steph who don't see

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one a damn self

377
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yeah i mean i also share that with you

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i've witnessed a triangle craft back in

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85

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so it's been about over 35 years you

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know and so it's been a minute but you

382
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know it's just something that does stick

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with you for life and you know it does

384
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make you question

385
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everything and uh what our reality is

386
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and whom we're being you know sharing

387
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this planet with so you know a lot i i

388
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do run uap experiencers so i i do have a

389
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lot of different accounts as you have

390
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you know in your research and a lot of

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these holographic type virtual

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type um

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accounts are coming up and i'm wondering

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what your beliefs are on that if they're

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superimposing themselves do you think

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that they're interdimensional and just

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showing up or do you believe that it is

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some sort of a physical craft that's

399
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entering through a portal i mean there

400
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could very well be some portal near the

401
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hudson river or the atlantic and this

402
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whole you know triangle area that

403
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seems to be this uh it's almost like a

404
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trend that there's a triangle

405
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triangulation

406
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of these crafts that they they like to

407
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hang out in and on you know the west

408
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coast you're familiar with catalina

409
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and that that entire triangle there so

410
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it it seems that there's the same

411
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similar situation happening on the east

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coast so what what are your thoughts on

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their kind of like entering the

414
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atmosphere and how they they may be

415
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appearing and uh exiting the the

416
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universe yeah they certainly do seem to

417
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have uh preferred locations like you

418
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said catalina uh hudson and and other

419
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spots around the world but i think

420
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there's a couple of things going on here

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um certainly i have no problem with the

422
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uh

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people hate to say that they're nuts and

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bolts craft but let's face it when a

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craft comes and knocks a branch off a

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tree i think we can say it's probably

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solid and leaves the imprint on the

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ground um

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[Music]

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and people see the

431
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you know some people said if they had a

432
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rock they could have hit it it was that

433
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close so you're seeing in that much

434
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detail um

435
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however there was a mind-blowing case in

436
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cornwall new york in the 90s uh

437
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,320
i'm sure you're familiar with uh where

438
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where cornwall is across the river

439
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the hudson there

440
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and

441
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kids come running in there's a ufo over

442
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the house and the parents are like yeah

443
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:39,360
sure there is well they come out and

444
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they see this uh massive disc brightly

445
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colorfully lit

446
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it's so close to the top of the house

447
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:50,480
the woman told me she goes i thought it

448
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was going to crush our house

449
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:55,440
wow so they're seeing a brightly lit

450
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disc

451
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uh dozens if not hundreds of people came

452
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out to see this

453
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:02,960
ninety percent of the people

454
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:03,919
saw

455
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:04,640
a

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shoulder to shoulder

457
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:40,400
some see it as a disc some as a triangle

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so

459
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,679
what is going on are they implanting

460
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:46,000
this image is it a holographic image

461
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:47,520
like you mentioned

462
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,720
is it something completely different

463
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,520
maybe nothing's there and they're

464
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,919
they've planted this

465
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:58,000
screen image in your mind or or

466
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,039
something

467
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so that to me is the definitive case

468
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:02,880
that

469
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:06,559
we cannot stick a pin in our opinion of

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00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,679
what's going on here because too much is

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going on

472
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sure

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absolutely it's it's such an abstract

474
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topic that we're you know we all share

475
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,679
this

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agreed

477
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,039
liking of and you know you have to be

478
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open you have to speculate you have to

479
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,640
question

480
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things i mean constantly i'm sure that

481
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that's it it gets frustrating for you

482
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where you're going look i don't want

483
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you know false information shared with

484
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me i'm sure it's happened plenty through

485
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the years so you get to a point where

486
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you're thinking look if you're not

487
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bringing me something factual if you're

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00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,039
not bringing me something that's

489
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,360
pixelated then then don't bring it to me

490
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at all because we're trying to take this

491
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to the next level so i appreciate all

492
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:52,960
that you do and i do i do believe that

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the uap as they appear um you know we

494
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,520
are perceiving it as they want us to and

495
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there's also

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this whole idea of

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well it

498
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do they want us to create this reality

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of

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how i want to see it because in my

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personal account there were four of us

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and three of us saw it as one shape and

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one of us thought is another so it's

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that

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00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:22,880
exactly what you said and you cannot

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discount what that person saw because

507
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this is what they're they're explaining

508
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,200
to you this is what i saw this is what i

509
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witnessed so

510
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,720
maybe that's maybe they're showing up

511
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how they want us to see them it's it's

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fascinating yeah let's talk go ahead go

513
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ahead linda you go i was just briefly

514
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going to say and it's the same with

515
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abductions

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you know

517
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seeing owls or other birds or something

518
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complete you know completely ridiculous

519
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,320
but that's what they're putting in your

520
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mind

521
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right

522
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:56,320
everybody

523
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,280
abduction experience i offered dna and

524
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,600
biological material to the phenomenon

525
00:22:05,790 --> 00:22:05,200
they basically said no and then dropped

526
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me off

527
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[Laughter]

528
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,240
you know deb's been working with me i'm

529
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,080
still trying to get therapy for that so

530
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,840
just you know give me some space

531
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,600
anyway

532
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:16,640
thank you man

533
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,440
all right

534
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,880
i'm just kidding that's my joke

535
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,240
everybody knows that i'm not an

536
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,480
experiencer but i did hear one today i

537
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:24,080
want to just quickly shout out nick

538
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:25,120
hunter

539
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,880
and uh he's from ufo chronicles podcast

540
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:30,720
and he had a gentleman on today whose

541
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,600
name was of philip um

542
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,799
um

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00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,919
uh

544
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:37,760
kinsella i was thinking of that

545
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:40,960
character from uh from uh that show uh

546
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:43,360
but anyway phil philip kinsella was on

547
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with uh

548
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uh

549
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,520
nick hunterday and that experience was

550
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,679
really not only was his experience

551
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,720
incredible but also his opinions on the

552
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:55,200
phenomenon are extremely well-rounded

553
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:56,559
and i was very

554
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,159
moved uh by how thoughtful that person

555
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,799
was as a researcher and someone who had

556
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,120
been abducted but uh what i want to do

557
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,880
now uh linda we're gonna go into the

558
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sort of round table

559
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,240
um

560
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,480
phase here and i want to talk about

561
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:14,480
shapes so i'm going to ask you first and

562
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,760
then we'll go to deb and then we'll go

563
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,400
to steph and then we'll we'll move on uh

564
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,320
but what i what i'd like

565
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,400
somebody just said dj knows the sunshine

566
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,159
hey look if you look like me jedi you'd

567
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,000
be wearing sunglasses too all right this

568
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,320
is all i can do to maintain um but

569
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,840
anyway um

570
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:30,720
so

571
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,080
frank uh was asking and

572
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,400
obviously in our history going back to

573
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,240
the valley of the kings you know a

574
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,000
three-dimensional representation of a

575
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:46,400
triangle is you know like that pyramidal

576
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,440
shape

577
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,159
uh and the phenomenon by the way there

578
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,440
are some photos um some official photos

579
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,679
of the phenomenon that do show what what

580
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,600
what it actually looked like that

581
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,000
matches what an what a person saw and

582
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,159
that's why i think it's important to say

583
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,600
it could be

584
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,520
all things can be true yes they may

585
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,520
implant in your mind what it looks like

586
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,760
dr gary nolan spoke about that family

587
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,840
from france where they were in the car

588
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,240
they had a glass roof car they looked up

589
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,080
they saw a certain shape and when the

590
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,080
photo came out it wasn't that shape it

591
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,799
was a star shape so the point is is yes

592
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,720
i agree totally agree with you linda and

593
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,720
then there are also cases where i've

594
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,720
seen some images that have been taken of

595
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,159
the phenomenon that are what the

596
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:30,559
eyewitnesses exactly what they described

597
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:31,279
so

598
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,600
like you to consider if you would linda

599
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,760
that triangle shape

600
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,600
and is it

601
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,279
significant

602
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,880
um to you

603
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,200
the way that um do you think the

604
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,520
phenomenon that that is a significant

605
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:50,640
shape for a reason

606
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:51,520
well

607
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,640
i think it must be because

608
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:57,600
there have been so many sightings of

609
00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:00,640
that particular shape around the world

610
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,440
for

611
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,880
really

612
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,360
generations

613
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:08,400
mostly post

614
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,880
i'd say post 60s the predominant ones

615
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,120
but certainly

616
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,840
there has to be something about that

617
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:19,919
configuration

618
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:22,799
which is suited to their purpose now

619
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,159
that of course leaves openly a ocean of

620
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,159
speculation

621
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,720
but um clearly

622
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,640
between the disc

623
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,640
and the triangle

624
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,480
those are

625
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,640
i think the predominant shapes

626
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:40,559
throughout history

627
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:44,960
and uh you know form follows function so

628
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,080
once we figure out what that function is

629
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,520
um

630
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:52,240
yeah and some of the tr

631
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,600
when it comes to massive craft

632
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,480
the triangles again are just

633
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,679
stunning

634
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,000
how some of them i i've had several

635
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,600
people say

636
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
you know a lot of people said it was the

637
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:06,960
size of a football field

638
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,679
and i've had several people who said oh

639
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,919
no no it was the size of a football

640
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:14,000
stadium

641
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:14,799
so

642
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,559
that lee

643
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,440
lends itself also to

644
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,640
being

645
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,799
enormous

646
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,960
before i pass this question to deb i

647
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,640
just want to let julie know your

648
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,320
question is written down in leon

649
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,799
d'antonio your question is also written

650
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,880
down so we're going to get to those

651
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,320
questions and we'll take them around the

652
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,400
table but we just had a few a few

653
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,679
starters here so so deb um

654
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,400
if you could take off where uh

655
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,400
where linda left off does that shape do

656
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,360
you think that uh history uh shows that

657
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,000
it it's significant is it is it is it

658
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,799
significant in human history because of

659
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,559
interaction with the phenomenon are they

660
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:58,320
separate or what do you make of that

661
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,279
debs

662
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,919
okay so i did of course go through all

663
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:03,919
the foias and in the beginning i was

664
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,470
and i was trying to actually study the

665
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,760
shapes and

666
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,520
there were triangles way in the

667
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,760
beginning in the government documents

668
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,520
but not that many

669
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,360
um so

670
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,120
i think it's actually something that

671
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,720
came out a little bit later more often

672
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,559
um i and things that make me really

673
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,320
wonder about the triangle include the

674
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:31,840
fact that most of our fastest um

675
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,960
jets and whatever are triangles um

676
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:37,679
they're delta you know and it makes me

677
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,880
wonder if some of these are ours um and

678
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,720
then i always have to wonder well which

679
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,000
came first

680
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,760
is it the horse or the cart you know

681
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,559
which thing was it was it we've copied

682
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,880
something we found or

683
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,960
you know or they just

684
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,600
happen to have one too you know i have i

685
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,880
have a lot of thoughts about that i

686
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,399
don't really know

687
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,039
um how many of them are ours but clearly

688
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,440
some of them are not because

689
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,440
you know some of them are so huge

690
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,760
there's no way that we have the physics

691
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,159
knowledge to accomplish that

692
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,640
um but as far as like a symbolic thing

693
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,799
with the triangle i don't think so i

694
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,559
think it's the same reasons we're using

695
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,640
triangles

696
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,640
i'll say that uh from uh one of the

697
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:22,720
interesting things is actually

698
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:23,520
uh

699
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,080
wing jets like the b1 bomber

700
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,720
they actually will uh will sweep their

701
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:32,799
wings back when they want to go faster

702
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,000
so a delta wing doesn't necessarily go

703
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,159
you would want to be swept back further

704
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,480
because the more the more aerodynamics

705
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,000
come into play is is uh when you would

706
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:46,320
want wings swept further and further and

707
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,919
further back away from sort of a delta

708
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,159
but if you're coming into land some of

709
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,159
those aircraft will extend their wings

710
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,039
to create more lift so aerodynamically

711
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,200
speaking it really doesn't help you

712
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:01,679
that that b2 shape or that

713
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,440
f117 shape and those are subsonic craft

714
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,840
uh compared to like an f22 which is a

715
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,399
supersonic or a b1 bomber which is a

716
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:12,720
supersonic but also uh can sweep the

717
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:15,760
wings uh steph that shape uh does that

718
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:18,159
shape resonate uh with you do you find

719
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,159
that there's a uh uh imitation here or

720
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,120
what's your thoughts on that shape

721
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,720
a couple of things have crossed my mind

722
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,360
and i am a realist i try to make sense

723
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,000
of things like well sure why was the

724
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,320
bottom of this triangle shaped like a

725
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,080
boat right

726
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,520
boats

727
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:39,520
float they go through the water is it

728
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:42,960
something that would be a hybrid to

729
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,760
enter and exit the air to the water i

730
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,960
mean that the aerodynamics of that

731
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,559
that shape

732
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:53,279
would easily splash into water is that a

733
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,559
possibility

734
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,399
i don't know you know that that has

735
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,480
crossed my mind

736
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,240
one of the very interesting things about

737
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,039
this that you may not be aware of on but

738
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,520
some of the audience probably is is they

739
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,600
enter the water without a splash

740
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,240
so one of the interesting things about

741
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:12,240
some of these uh craft that they're

742
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,120
seeing

743
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,919
is not only arrow do aerodynamics not

744
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,000
have an effect on them uh where they

745
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,320
don't need control surfaces to steer etc

746
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,799
etc but but hydrodynamics that they can

747
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,200
pass through the water at speeds that we

748
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,080
we could never uh the hydrodynamic drag

749
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,880
is so extreme that if you're doing like

750
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,880
30 knots underwater you're going really

751
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,279
fast but something that's moving like

752
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:37,679
the speed of sound underwater would be

753
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,120
like mind-blowing to uh to us but anyway

754
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,679
uh we got to go on to the next topic so

755
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,799
um

756
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,279
if linda has the topic we'll we'll hit

757
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,480
that one or if deb has a topic or i have

758
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,159
two listener questions do you have

759
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,240
anything that you'd like us to consider

760
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:56,960
for the fireside chat linda

761
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,320
uh well uh you know i am partial to the

762
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,039
to the animal reactions and i i just

763
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:05,760
want to say on that um

764
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,039
pay attention to your pets the barnyard

765
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,399
animals the the animals in the woods

766
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,760
because

767
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,039
they have

768
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,799
superior six

769
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,760
uh five senses to us for the most part

770
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,440
and i would not discount they have

771
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,840
superior sixth senses

772
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:26,080
and their electromagnetic field

773
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:29,679
sensitivity uh known as magnetoreception

774
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,200
is so remarkable that i think that's

775
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,080
where a lot of these abilities with

776
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,399
animals lie um

777
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,679
because

778
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,640
they just are so attuned to the earth's

779
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,919
natural

780
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,120
fields

781
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,000
and if a craft which we know has

782
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:50,640
electromagnetic fields you know static

783
00:31:59,230 --> 00:31:54,880
on the car radio stalling cars blackouts

784
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,240
if they are coming in with these wild

785
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:01,919
electromagnetic fields are these animals

786
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:05,200
reacting with fear and and want to run

787
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,640
away because

788
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,640
their whole world is suddenly spinning

789
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,799
and turning around um you know is it

790
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,679
like us on a on a roller coaster

791
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:15,200
that

792
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:19,120
they don't want any part of these craft

793
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,000
so

794
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:22,320
just pay attention go back through oh

795
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,240
i've gone back through old cases and

796
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,640
it's remarkable the information you can

797
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:31,519
gather uh from animal reactions so if

798
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:34,880
you're an investigator pay attention

799
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:37,519
pay attention debs i'm just kidding no i

800
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,799
ha i have a topic right now uh that that

801
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:43,039
uh just i'm gonna tangent right off of

802
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,480
what linda said i'm gonna bring it to

803
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,559
deb to steph and then it's gonna come

804
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,159
back home to linda

805
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,399
so deb um

806
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,640
you know when we had micah on and he

807
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,559
talked about the gentleman that was on

808
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,320
his show and forgive me i'm not gonna

809
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,480
remember the names as we speak but he's

810
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,880
also an investigator of ufos and of

811
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,360
sasquatch uh but they were going to do

812
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,360
something more akin to what linda was

813
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,919
doing they were going to see a shack in

814
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,159
the woods that was owned by which and

815
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,320
they wanted to see if it was really

816
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,559
there because it was lore

817
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,720
uh and they had gotten some good vectors

818
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,240
from somebody old that had a lot of

819
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,120
familiarity and after a couple of hours

820
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,480
they found uh the witch's house slash

821
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,240
shack um

822
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,159
and when they they stayed a little while

823
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,559
there when they left it was coming into

824
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,760
nightfall

825
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,480
and uh what happened debs if you're

826
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,240
recalling them and i'm saying this i

827
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,600
know you know the story but i'm kind of

828
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,320
saying it for the audience and for linda

829
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,679
um

830
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:42,960
is that uh

831
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,159
uh they they did make eye contact with

832
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:48,640
what they believed was a sasquatch

833
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:51,679
and all of the wildlife in the woods it

834
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,399
became totally silent now i understand

835
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,640
when there's a predatory creature around

836
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,480
that there are certain animals that will

837
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,440
be quiet but not like crickets and

838
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,080
things like that so um what's your take

839
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:06,399
on that on that reaction debs do you do

840
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,279
you think

841
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,520
that that is be does that speak to

842
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:12,639
something about sasquatch as a

843
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:15,599
terrestrial creature or does that speak

844
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,440
to sasquatches perhaps a a a creature

845
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,119
that's inter-dimensional what's your

846
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,119
thoughts on that whole phenomenon

847
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,560
well i think we're

848
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,240
we tend to

849
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,919
look at sasquatch and think it's just

850
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:30,639
one thing and and i i keep falling into

851
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,440
it's maybe more than one right and

852
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,040
and because i do think there might be

853
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,520
some hominids that we miss somehow on

854
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,240
the planet i think that's a possibility

855
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:41,839
especially because a lot of what people

856
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,720
are seeing looks like a hominid but

857
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,760
when animals respond that way to that

858
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,280
disturbance

859
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,040
um when they're like just basically

860
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,240
freezing

861
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,720
it's like a panic mode and i actually

862
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,960
had like a dinner conversation with my

863
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,960
brother-in-law about this and he

864
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,440
mentioned that animals may actually be

865
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,280
hearing something

866
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,040
that we can't hear

867
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:08,560
that it might be um in the infrasound

868
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:11,839
range sort of like an earthquake so if

869
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,079
sasquatch is interdimensional and has

870
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,640
used a portal that might be what they

871
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,520
heard

872
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,119
because if he was just an animal

873
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,640
standing there i don't think it would

874
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,800
have been the same not for the crickets

875
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,560
and all that because they're not i don't

876
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,359
think they see a lot of the insect life

877
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,599
sees a sasquatch or something as a

878
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,640
predator

879
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,640
but the way if they react that way to a

880
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,839
uap

881
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,680
uh coming close and they react that way

882
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,839
to sasquatch then my brain starts going

883
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:39,359
wait a minute there's a connect there's

884
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,870
oh you're still muted

885
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,040
i have to unmute myself yes there's a

886
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,800
there there's there

887
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,880
we all we all have our ideas of what the

888
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,640
sasquatch is and i know your obsession

889
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,839
with it and

890
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:55,680
i want to believe

891
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,839
i want to

892
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,760
believe it's not that it's it linda it

893
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,480
said i'm lonely in the forest and i want

894
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,079
to see a creature when i go to blue

895
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,680
mountain reservation when i go home i'm

896
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,119
going to be looking for sasquatch but

897
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,359
anyway uh i certainly make it out to be

898
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,800
more go ahead steph i'm sorry well okay

899
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,040
i'm going with i believe that it's some

900
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,440
sort of a phantom so there's it's not

901
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,680
apparently there's no substantial like

902
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,839
existence of it but there's there's

903
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,480
something that that's appearing there so

904
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,640
i think you know could it be

905
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,640
crypto it crypto

906
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,240
terrestrial

907
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,560
i mean phantom is something that kind of

908
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,079
sticks with me because it's it's

909
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,599
something that you think you see but

910
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,760
it's not really there

911
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:39,520
so what if it's like the ghost of our

912
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,520
neanderthal hominid ancestors

913
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:45,280
that's right

914
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:48,400
is this quasimodo i mean

915
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,680
it's your turn um so when when when

916
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,400
there's a reaction in the forest

917
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,440
to uh these gentlemen making eye contact

918
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,839
with the sasquatch probably soiling

919
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,640
themselves uh and all and the forest

920
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,440
goes quiet like uh what we've heard

921
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,680
happens when the uap what do you make of

922
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:09,599
that personally

923
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,440
yeah it's not just a unknown hominid i

924
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:15,520
think at that point there was a great

925
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,359
case in 1959 in the brazilian jungle

926
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:21,760
three businessmen were out crocodile

927
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,880
hunting and you know the sound in a in a

928
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,079
jungle it's just a uh i will use the

929
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,839
word a cacophony

930
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,079
of sound um

931
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:34,079
and a large

932
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,520
kick i don't think that's in anyone

933
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,640
here's vocabulary except linda oh can i

934
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:40,960
say that comfortably it's anyone it's a

935
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,760
new one oh is it oh okay

936
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,760
it was loud

937
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:48,079
it was very loud

938
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,760
and they uh brightly lit saucer comes

939
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:52,800
over

940
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,960
and the entire jungle went silent every

941
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,480
cricket

942
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,320
i don't even know what i don't want to

943
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,720
know what kind of species of insects and

944
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,640
everything birds

945
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,480
i don't know if they're a monkey

946
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:09,359
everything went absolutely silent

947
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:13,839
and uh so clearly there is some sort of

948
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,680
field being generated that affects all

949
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,040
life forms

950
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,680
and makes them fall silent probably

951
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,839
because they feel threatened

952
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,200
but i do have um if i can go a little

953
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,079
further into the sasquatch um

954
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,440
i am not a sasquatch researcher but when

955
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,359
you're in this field people tell you

956
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:36,480
stories

957
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:40,560
and someone told me a story um about uh

958
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,880
oh 25 years ago that took place out near

959
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,720
western pennsylvania

960
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,280
and i won't i won't get to that one yet

961
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,520
um but then

962
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:54,000
just several years ago someone told me a

963
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,119
story

964
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:57,760
um probably took place about 20 minutes

965
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,359
from here there's a very bizarre road

966
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:03,440
through a state park area called

967
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,200
longmeadow near the town of tuxedo you

968
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,000
name it it happens there and the story

969
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,520
was he's just driving home from work

970
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,079
and he sees something on the side of a

971
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,720
road and he looks over

972
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:20,160
and it's

973
00:40:30,550 --> 00:39:21,119
a

974
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:30,560
is not something

975
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,520
mundane and purely physical

976
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,640
and that's

977
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,800
my take on it

978
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,800
first of all um i really want to thank

979
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,480
you for that take because

980
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,160
when you talk to people who are deep

981
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:43,839
into this and we just spoke with one

982
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,319
someone i know you know micah hanks we

983
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,240
were honored to speak with him

984
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,160
but i think a lot of the people and

985
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:52,079
there's not even a but there there are a

986
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,440
lot of people that he speaks with that

987
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,440
are very rooted in that this is just a

988
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,079
living mammal that's hiding and i told

989
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,319
him the story of the navajo ranger

990
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,760
jonathan dover

991
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,599
who said uh

992
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,119
you know and you know navajo ranger

993
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,720
you're talking about a federally trained

994
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,359
law enforcement officer at this point

995
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,440
and he said i have tracked

996
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,000
several of them into the middle of an

997
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,560
open field and the tracks just disappear

998
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,880
i'm looking at tracks i'm tracking it

999
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,800
and they're just gone as if something

1000
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,880
came and lifted it up and

1001
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,200
and and that didn't resonate with micah

1002
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,040
and i think it's because of like what

1003
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,280
you said we have to be open to these

1004
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:31,920
possibilities that yes maybe it walks

1005
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,680
around as a mammal and yes maybe it's

1006
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,680
walking through a portal as slit if you

1007
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,760
will so i imagine the credibility of

1008
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,680
that individual went up significantly

1009
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,359
when you were able to match that story

1010
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,440
up with the previous story from from

1011
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,200
1950

1012
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:49,040
so

1013
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,480
yeah it's

1014
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,040
it's a physical animal but how it gets

1015
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,319
here and how it leaves is the million

1016
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,839
dollar question

1017
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,680
i'm with you i'm with you i want to put

1018
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,440
up julie's question now and then we're

1019
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,200
going to get to the other person and

1020
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,800
then deb and steph if you guys are

1021
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,880
recorded i only have two questions

1022
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,560
written down right here so here's my

1023
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:10,960
friend julie farrell from alabama who i

1024
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,079
got to meet at a ufo meetup uh and she

1025
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,560
says have the witnesses that you linda

1026
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,800
have spoke with has anybody had health

1027
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,520
issues that they would assign as as

1028
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,680
responsible for their interaction with

1029
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,040
the phenomenon

1030
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,079
absolutely and it's um on both ends of

1031
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,040
the spectrum from people who

1032
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:32,960
believe

1033
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,440
adamantly that their interactions have

1034
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,800
cured them of certain incurable diseases

1035
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,520
or made their general health better

1036
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,680
to people who believe they have

1037
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,839
developed cancers

1038
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,560
as a result or

1039
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,359
have just struggled with with physical

1040
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:54,800
ailments

1041
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,760
as a result mostly with you know intense

1042
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,240
prolonged interactions

1043
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,040
but um

1044
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,319
yeah no question these are

1045
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:09,040
these are physically altering encounters

1046
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,280
or can be not always um and even to the

1047
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,839
point of their mental and emotional

1048
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,800
health

1049
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,160
some people are

1050
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:19,839
scarred for life

1051
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:23,359
from these encounters i know one woman i

1052
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,640
interviewed had

1053
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,400
was back in 83

1054
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,720
she still will not go outside in the

1055
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,359
dark by herself um

1056
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:33,440
that's you know that's a terrible fear

1057
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,480
to carry

1058
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:37,599
your entire adult life so

1059
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:40,960
yeah certainly health issues um as i

1060
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,920
said on both ends of the spectrum

1061
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,240
i also before i pass this to deb because

1062
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,920
we're going to take this question as a

1063
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:50,800
round table also uh you interviewed my

1064
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,839
high school classmate uh audrey herrer

1065
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,319
uh whose name is now audrey statesgoal

1066
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,760
lives in connecticut

1067
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,599
and she is uh one of the brightest

1068
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,000
lights in my entire class the hen hood

1069
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:04,400
class of 85 and you interviewed her and

1070
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,760
her family and you left a very positive

1071
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,000
infra impression on her and her family

1072
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,680
from montrose linda i just wanted you to

1073
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,920
know that oh that's wonderful yes i

1074
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,319
remember i remember the name and the the

1075
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,960
family was kind enough to uh

1076
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,280
share their great case with me

1077
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:24,160
yeah her father was a police detective

1078
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,960
uh

1079
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,280
down in down county somewhere i can't

1080
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,760
remember new rochelle i believe

1081
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,160
and uh and yeah they had a big black

1082
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,480
triangle fly right over montrose right

1083
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,400
over hen hunt high school so

1084
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,560
uh but more importantly i want to get

1085
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,400
something that we were just talking

1086
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:42,960
about in terms of health issues and deb

1087
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,319
has just started a group of uh

1088
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:47,920
mental health professionals that they're

1089
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,280
aimed at helping experiencers and and

1090
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,040
people that have been traumatized by the

1091
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:55,920
phenomenon so deb what's your thought

1092
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,200
about julie's question there and

1093
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,640
writ large

1094
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,880
well i was happy to see that question

1095
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:04,640
because obviously it's one of the things

1096
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,079
foremost on my mind right now um and

1097
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,079
everyone will get a formal announcement

1098
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,960
about the uap medical coalition in the

1099
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:15,119
future there are some serious people

1100
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,400
behind that

1101
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,640
um but it is it's

1102
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,520
not just you know the healing and the

1103
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,599
cancer but you know

1104
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,079
gary um just spoke about this in his

1105
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,760
interview with tucker carlson i'm glad i

1106
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,200
get to mention that

1107
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,400
um he just said it's a lot of these your

1108
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,520
irritation like like radioactive

1109
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,560
responses um so there's a lot of burns

1110
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,200
and if it's not treated it can scar

1111
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,079
um there's eye irritation

1112
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,480
nausea um so

1113
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,319
there's a lot of different degrees it

1114
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,720
doesn't always go fully to cancer so and

1115
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,800
he made the point that i really thought

1116
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,359
was interesting that of course

1117
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,359
depending on where brain damage may

1118
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,520
occur because of the encounter there

1119
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,400
might be different cognitive results

1120
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,400
so you know it really that connects in

1121
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,920
more ways than people realize but i

1122
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,680
really just want to make another point

1123
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,359
about this really quick

1124
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,839
not only do people have the initial

1125
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,480
trauma but when their families don't

1126
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,800
accept that something happened to them

1127
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:18,960
and that they go to these people trying

1128
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,240
to get help they're traumatized again

1129
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,640
because families are laughing at them

1130
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,480
they don't understand why they're scared

1131
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,079
they're not helping protect them because

1132
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,079
they think it's ridiculous

1133
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,040
so it's like it's dual trauma

1134
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,640
so that's one of the reasons it's really

1135
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,160
important for mental health

1136
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,560
professionals to understand what's going

1137
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,040
on and come forward

1138
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,960
thank you deb it's just more of the

1139
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,200
amazing work that you've done for our

1140
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,839
community along with the obviously steph

1141
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,520
is there's a resource she's not a mental

1142
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,040
health professional but she's still

1143
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,760
there to to to hear you and and let you

1144
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,920
talk about your topic for me personally

1145
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,280
i mean you guys have been talking about

1146
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,160
me uh looking for bigfoot you've noticed

1147
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,640
you know maybe prodigious hair loss uh

1148
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,040
bigfoot having a dearth of hair and if

1149
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,960
we were to get together you know maybe

1150
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,319
something happened maybe my hair would

1151
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,400
grow back i could come back to new york

1152
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,560
linda looking like i'm a guitarist from

1153
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,680
boston i mean you know that

1154
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,760
be careful what you look what you ask

1155
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,520
for right

1156
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,119
you know i'd like to be able to part my

1157
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,119
hair in the middle and you know and look

1158
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:25,599
like a real 70s you know hender cuts in

1159
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:28,559
student but anyway uh deb excuse me

1160
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,920
steph uh mental health issues uh or or

1161
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,160
health issues writ large we have just

1162
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,480
bear in mind everybody we have about uh

1163
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,119
13 minutes left with linda so we'll

1164
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,720
probably do quick fire on the next

1165
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,559
couple questions we've got

1166
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,800
sure the majority of experiencers that

1167
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,720
come forth to share you know it is

1168
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,640
important for their mental health just

1169
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,359
to simply share like as you both had

1170
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,079
said and we do need to squash the stigma

1171
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:55,920
of this whole

1172
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,880
you know phenomenon multi-dimensional al

1173
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,119
all of the phenomena that you have you

1174
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,040
have witnessed so i just want to say

1175
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,040
that that is part of

1176
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:06,880
getting through this and healing your

1177
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,720
anxiety or just whatever whatever

1178
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,400
if you want to share

1179
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,800
anonymously then that is part of your

1180
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,960
healing so it's very important you don't

1181
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,760
have to be on camera you know

1182
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,599
we believe you and that's what that's

1183
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:23,119
the platform that we provide here for

1184
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,839
you

1185
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,000
um so i just wanted to say that but as

1186
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:27,520
far as any

1187
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,319
um

1188
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,480
say mental health concerns i do

1189
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,559
understand that you know

1190
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,960
that is surrounding this as well i do

1191
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,960
have licensed professionals that i would

1192
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,119
then you know gear that person towards

1193
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,680
and pivot them that way so it is very

1194
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,720
important to me um you know i did have

1195
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,319
family in my

1196
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,720
people who suffered from mental sorry

1197
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:50,319
i'm stumbling on my words right now i

1198
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:51,040
love

1199
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,480
i'm just kidding but no but um you know

1200
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,960
it it it's it's very near and dear to my

1201
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,200
heart and i do

1202
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,319
uh want people to be able to speak on it

1203
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,920
should they be

1204
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,160
having something you know that that is

1205
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,599
bothering them that they they maybe

1206
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,760
haven't mentioned to anyone so you know

1207
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,079
these platforms we provide

1208
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,640
that could lead them to that next you

1209
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,760
know

1210
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,319
place that could potentially help them

1211
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:23,440
further so you know we do we do service

1212
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,480
that as well as far as them sharing any

1213
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,200
physical i have seen um

1214
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,040
almost it looks like somewhat of a burn

1215
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,680
mark um i don't want to be an alarmist

1216
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:35,839
in this community by any means

1217
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,480
so uh it's primarily people sharing

1218
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,720
their testimonials as far as any of the

1219
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,599
physical i would direct them you know to

1220
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,200
share that with

1221
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,319
a professional source so

1222
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,240
so you have somebody for hair loss that

1223
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,760
i could

1224
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,200
uh you know

1225
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,040
there are things that you can do with

1226
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,920
that with electro actually electro it's

1227
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,760
like this it looks like a rape and it's

1228
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,599
electricity and it stimulates hair

1229
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,240
growth i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna this

1230
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,480
is gonna get to more trauma linda i know

1231
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,880
you and deb don't wanna hear this but i

1232
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,440
did i was driving i had one of those on

1233
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,160
my head the phenomenon flew over it

1234
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,640
shorted it out and okay this is what

1235
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,319
happened so

1236
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,559
i i i've had to deal with a lot of

1237
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,720
trauma because of the phenomenon even

1238
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,559
trying to grow my hair back and then

1239
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,640
have an emi and then next thing thing

1240
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,559
goes haywire and it's not working

1241
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,559
yeah we're gonna

1242
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,960
point out that julie has offered to

1243
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,240
macrame some dreads for you thank you i

1244
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,640
love you baby thank you uh we have

1245
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,520
another question

1246
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,200
yeah we're your friends we serve as your

1247
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,720
friends here

1248
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,040
i appreciate it man it's a lot of trauma

1249
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,119
i'm dealing with here linda a question

1250
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,800
for you do you know anyone who has

1251
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,240
remote viewed these uap occupants or the

1252
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,800
inside structure of these crafts this is

1253
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,319
from leone

1254
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,640
or leon d'antonio

1255
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,160
um

1256
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,119
yes uh

1257
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:08,880
but i have to qualify that um

1258
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:12,240
people who believe they have and and of

1259
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,119
course

1260
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,920
they certainly could have it's very you

1261
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:18,240
know how do you confirm that however

1262
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,040
right

1263
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,920
um some people are a wallpaper i mean

1264
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,880
there's

1265
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,839
i'm just kidding yeah it's um

1266
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:27,440
but mostly

1267
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,240
people um who've had these encounters or

1268
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,440
through dreams or through

1269
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,400
some sort of meditative state whether

1270
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,359
these are then recollections

1271
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,680
of an encounter or

1272
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,079
they are actually seeing into the craft

1273
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:47,599
but certainly

1274
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,760
i will say many people feel they have

1275
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,559
some sort of psychic connection with

1276
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:55,599
these

1277
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,559
after having you know particularly close

1278
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,400
encounters

1279
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,880
and whether they are intentionally

1280
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,599
remote viewing or it's just that

1281
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,040
connection

1282
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:11,680
which is showing them things that they

1283
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,640
couldn't otherwise know you know again

1284
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:17,599
that is that is hard to say so i kind of

1285
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,720
went a little around about that but

1286
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:22,480
you know you're not sure

1287
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,720
how how do you confirm remote viewing uh

1288
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,200
occupants of a ufo

1289
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,960
yeah and we we could get into this whole

1290
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,440
topic about how when when you and i were

1291
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,760
growing up linda everybody had wallpaper

1292
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,440
and all the reports of the inside of the

1293
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,000
craft nobody has it so maybe wallpaper

1294
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,760
is something that we've just evolved

1295
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:43,839
beyond that i don't know and and thank

1296
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,119
heaven for that

1297
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,880
it was so uncool that it's actually

1298
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,040
making a comeback but uh all right we

1299
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,000
don't we don't have a lot of time uh we

1300
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,160
have so i want to have a little bit of a

1301
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,880
quick fire round from everybody we have

1302
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,119
about eight seven minutes left with

1303
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,760
linda uh i have one i want to get to

1304
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,440
that's going to get to

1305
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,880
the it's it's going to be a little bit

1306
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,280
of a debbie downer no pun intended deb

1307
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,000
about jim semivans comments but deb

1308
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,480
please give us uh what you have or if

1309
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,680
there's something else from the chat

1310
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,359
that you wanted to put up there

1311
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,920
well i i just wanted to know if you what

1312
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:21,440
you were the most excited about with

1313
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,559
everything coming out the way it is um

1314
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,800
all of the people coming out in

1315
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,520
interviews and so on and so forth

1316
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:30,559
um

1317
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,920
what i'm mo i'm i am not at all excited

1318
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,720
about the committees what i am excited

1319
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:38,880
about is the

1320
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:41,839
pilots and their video and their you

1321
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:43,839
know their testimony

1322
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,119
because um these people are absolutely

1323
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:50,240
remarkable they are trained to observe

1324
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,040
they

1325
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:53,920
understand the characteristics of flight

1326
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,880
and

1327
00:54:03,750 --> 00:53:57,839
i find it mesmerizing to hear their

1328
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,589
uh uh there's no question they're

1329
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,920
extremely credible there's sensor data

1330
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,400
that backs them up there's radar data in

1331
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,720
cases that back them up uh there may

1332
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,200
even be you know um

1333
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,839
a geospatial data from from satellites

1334
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,319
that that are classified that backs up a

1335
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,960
lot of this uh if if what we hear is

1336
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,520
true in terms of people like uh john

1337
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,440
ramirez talking about how powerful and

1338
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,480
how capable the the sensor systems are

1339
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,520
on these satellites uh it could be that

1340
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,920
that a lot of this is captured so it's

1341
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,160
gonna be very compelling uh but i have

1342
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,079
one last question but i got to go to uh

1343
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:42,000
steph first and then and then we're

1344
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,359
going to get into we got to get into

1345
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,119
linda's show because she has a hudson

1346
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,440
valley radio show every week but uh

1347
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,359
please steph go ahead man

1348
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,640
very cool

1349
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,200
i'm so i am sorry i thought that we were

1350
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,599
asking linda a question now i'm

1351
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,119
where where are we at i apologize no

1352
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,280
yeah no what we're doing now i mean you

1353
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:02,160
can uh ask her where i would like quick

1354
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:02,880
yeah

1355
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,760
thank you no i now i understand um well

1356
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,680
linda i know that you've spoken with so

1357
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,160
many experiencers throughout your career

1358
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,799
and i want to know your beliefs on

1359
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,119
regression and if you believe that that

1360
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,880
is a healthy choice

1361
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,359
and you know have you have you had that

1362
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:21,200
performed yourself

1363
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,799
uh yes i have had it performed myself i

1364
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,040
think with a competent

1365
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,920
uh therapist who is trained

1366
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,040
yeah i think it can be a valuable tool

1367
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,040
um it's

1368
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,599
entirely up to the individual because

1369
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,000
there may be a reason this trauma has

1370
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,760
been suppressed

1371
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,720
so

1372
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,359
before you ask the questions and do the

1373
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,680
regression make sure you want to have

1374
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,079
the answers

1375
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,400
wonderful wonderful explanation

1376
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,920
thank you

1377
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,240
up uh and we'll we'll send you a tip for

1378
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,880
that in the mail that great answer linda

1379
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,799
but no i'm just kidding um

1380
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,720
and actually i'm gonna bring you uh when

1381
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,880
i come to new york if i'm able to see

1382
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,280
i'll bring you some dj's bespoke

1383
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,280
skin care

1384
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,599
that's nathan's face on there it's all

1385
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:14,400
organic uh and i put it on every night

1386
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,839
which is why i

1387
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:17,359
never mind anyway

1388
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,910
usually

1389
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,280
[Applause]

1390
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,599
left out from that no

1391
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,640
oh no you if you want dj skincare i'm

1392
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,960
literally i'm i'm gonna try to like

1393
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,359
elbow katyani out of the kitchen from

1394
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,599
making empanadas so that i can make my

1395
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:35,520
damn skincare can you guys just make

1396
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,789
get out the way so maybe maybe tomorrow

1397
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,720
night i'm doing i'm starting another

1398
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,040
podcast about motorcycle racing linda

1399
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:47,200
tomorrow's going to debut with the

1400
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,640
motorcycle racer kayla yakov she's only

1401
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,200
15 years young wow amazing

1402
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:55,920
uh professional road racer but anyway

1403
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,400
um i want to ask you

1404
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,440
uh about jim semivan's comments um

1405
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,640
he did

1406
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,319
a um

1407
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,160
he did an interview with somebody across

1408
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:08,720
the river from you a fellow pies on

1409
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:12,160
james eindholly uh from verplank point

1410
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,079
um and the interview was was uh

1411
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:18,720
no pun intended it was phenomenal um

1412
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:21,200
there was just a lot of very

1413
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,480
serious discussion and some penetrating

1414
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,640
topics he was able to penetrate some

1415
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,640
areas that i think some of us hadn't

1416
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,520
heard jim go before maybe that's just me

1417
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,079
um but i'd like to ask you

1418
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,680
he's an experiencer um steph and and deb

1419
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,559
may be more aware of his experiences but

1420
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:42,799
it was he and his wife that had some

1421
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,760
experiences in their home and i believe

1422
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,839
several experiences

1423
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,359
and

1424
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,480
he

1425
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,589
lying deception

1426
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,160
uh not necessarily trusting the

1427
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,799
phenomenon in in in the sense of things

1428
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,079
that were

1429
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,480
communicated to him by whatever means

1430
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,920
that they used

1431
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:07,040
and

1432
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,760
he made me feel a sense of danger

1433
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,000
uh about the phenomenon and i'd like to

1434
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,640
get your take on that and let's again

1435
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,480
we'll make it kind of quick fire because

1436
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,000
we don't want to keep you over we only

1437
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,240
have two minutes left but and deb has

1438
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,480
something is uh additional but what's

1439
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,400
your take on that linda as far as the

1440
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:25,760
danger

1441
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,079
of people think oh it's all you know

1442
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,480
sunshine and unicorns and and

1443
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,480
benevolence but

1444
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:39,520
clearly people have been harmed and

1445
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:42,880
traumatized and i don't always see this

1446
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,319
as it being in our best interest

1447
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,799
to be plucked out of your room or your

1448
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:50,720
car

1449
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,040
and be subjected to these things um

1450
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,760
and it also depends on your perspective

1451
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,400
well some people oh take me again and

1452
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,520
others

1453
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,000
there was one man who said i would kill

1454
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:07,119
them all if i could he was so

1455
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,960
traumatized by his experiences so again

1456
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:12,480
it's personal

1457
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:16,000
but if you feel threatened you feel a

1458
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,760
sense of danger that is real for you

1459
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,880
and

1460
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,680
whether that is their intention

1461
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:26,000
that is the result

1462
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:26,880
so

1463
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,000
i i do think there is a sense of danger

1464
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,359
for some of the people absolutely

1465
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,359
and do you and quick quick follow-up

1466
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,599
linda do you also sense from a chris

1467
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,079
bledsoe type of a an individual that

1468
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,160
there's also a benevolence being that he

1469
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:48,960
was healed and apparently bequeathed the

1470
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,520
power to heal himself

1471
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,000
yes as i said some people have had

1472
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,280
remarkable healings many people have had

1473
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,160
enhanced sixth sense

1474
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,000
they develop

1475
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,119
precognition psychic abilities

1476
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,440
they grow they grow spiritually they

1477
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,880
grow mentally

1478
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,920
um

1479
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,319
look at the allagash case where they

1480
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,760
suddenly became artists and and

1481
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,720
you know people take on these newfound

1482
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:20,319
abilities

1483
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:21,839
so

1484
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,200
we again we can't pigeonhole the whole

1485
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,720
phenomena into good or bad it's all

1486
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,400
things

1487
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,960
i i agree i i feel like i have the

1488
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,720
enlarged caudate potato and i feel like

1489
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,680
i can

1490
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,000
visualize when deb is making hamburger

1491
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:40,000
help her over at her place

1492
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,440
very rarely

1493
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,960
very

1494
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:45,040
hey it's you know have you made it this

1495
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,000
year

1496
01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:49,359
yes okay there you go all right

1497
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,140
little plug

1498
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,400
[Laughter]

1499
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,079
all right devs

1500
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,640
okay so last night when i was watching

1501
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,119
gary's interview he talked a little bit

1502
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,359
about the gray

1503
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:02,960
entity being

1504
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:06,160
an avatar and in my research i've heard

1505
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,760
before that their dna might be human dna

1506
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,359
which has resulted in a lot of these

1507
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,520
hybrid conversations

1508
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,880
what if

1509
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:16,400
like we've talked a little bit about

1510
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:19,839
this as a manipulation what if they are

1511
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,680
creating the avatar with our dna

1512
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,760
in order to engage with us

1513
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,390
is not a question for me

1514
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:34,630
yeah let's let's let's go to steph on

1515
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:35,520
that

1516
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,559
go steph

1517
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,040
oh i definitely think that there's some

1518
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:41,520
intent of hybridization i definitely

1519
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,240
think that they are here to take

1520
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,040
something from us potentially create

1521
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:49,280
some sort of a hybrid i mean why why

1522
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,319
else are they

1523
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,240
showing up i they're they're they're

1524
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,960
harvesting something i do i do believe

1525
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,359
that it sounds totally out there but i

1526
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,920
mean why else would they be

1527
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,160
you know coming here and

1528
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,480
messing with our military equipment as

1529
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:06,880
david fravor said jamming is an act of

1530
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,079
war so if they're going to be doing that

1531
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:12,559
to our military equipment then why would

1532
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,400
they not do something to humans they did

1533
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,440
why why not so yeah absolutely there

1534
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,920
there is uh there's proof of adverse

1535
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,240
reactions and adverse effects alex

1536
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,559
dietrich the pilot i mean she recently

1537
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,960
was diagnosed with breast cancer um you

1538
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,480
know thank you for your service alex if

1539
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,240
you're listening to this but yeah

1540
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:34,400
there's been proven facts that

1541
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:35,680
there are

1542
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:39,039
possible connections to uap viewing uap

1543
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,839
so

1544
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:41,359
it's pretty it's

1545
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:42,640
as much as i don't want to be an

1546
01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:45,039
alarmist i do believe that there there

1547
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:46,839
is something occurring

1548
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,599
yes and deb can you pose your question

1549
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:51,680
again for me because i was typing in the

1550
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,319
chat right so i guess what's really got

1551
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,480
me last night was thinking we're getting

1552
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:58,880
we're getting this idea that we're

1553
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:01,920
hybrids because people have claimed that

1554
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:04,880
the bodies have human dna but what if

1555
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:08,079
they have human dna because these

1556
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,119
beings

1557
01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:12,160
created the grays out of us

1558
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:14,839
instead of we're created out of

1559
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,559
them yes and uh so first of all i i want

1560
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:20,400
to speak to that but shout out to scott

1561
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:23,440
gear and my usaf brother the para rescue

1562
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,559
legend is in the uh is in the chat there

1563
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:27,839
hello scott

1564
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,319
uh and what i would say is i want to

1565
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,400
direct everybody again

1566
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:34,960
to that interview with that gentleman

1567
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,799
philip um kinsella that was on with with

1568
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:39,760
um

1569
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:43,440
nick hunter today on ufo chronicles

1570
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,400
this is my highest recommendation

1571
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:49,280
if you want to hear a full

1572
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,400
bodied

1573
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:52,960
perspective on the phenomenon not only

1574
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,920
as an experiencer as a researcher as an

1575
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:58,160
analyst and he spoke to that he spoke

1576
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:59,200
about

1577
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,599
eloquently that there is something that

1578
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,880
we have

1579
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:04,640
because they don't mate there's

1580
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,440
something we have that they wanted to

1581
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:10,400
recreate to procreate um

1582
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,000
our our feeling music love

1583
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,920
you know all these things that that we

1584
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,319
have as humans that they probably cannot

1585
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,359
synthetically create that they want so

1586
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,599
um your he'll you'll hear him speak

1587
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,079
about this far more eloquently than i

1588
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:28,319
but that clearly there's something in

1589
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,119
our biology that they may have used that

1590
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,520
they may have mimicked i think what deb

1591
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:36,480
was alluding to or created to look like

1592
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,200
us to interact with us as somebody like

1593
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,200
uh i heard somebody the other day

1594
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,039
talking about yeah wouldn't you just

1595
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,559
create a being that looked like the

1596
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,760
people that you're trying to interact

1597
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,760
sure of course you would nordic long

1598
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:49,839
hair all this well let's get back to my

1599
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,640
hair again but anyway so so yes i i

1600
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:55,039
agree i think there is uh i don't know

1601
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:56,240
what it is

1602
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,960
that we have that they desire but the

1603
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:00,720
points that he laid out in that

1604
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:03,680
interview uh after he spoke about his

1605
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:06,880
experience and went into analyst mode

1606
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:10,160
was brilliant on many different levels

1607
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,319
and i recommend everybody check that out

1608
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,000
i don't care i'm not competing with

1609
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,000
anybody's podcast so i don't care

1610
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:18,079
uh linda your thoughts on why the

1611
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:20,720
phenomenon might might have harvest uh

1612
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,760
biology are they uh uh

1613
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,680
using us to create something that looks

1614
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:27,200
like us

1615
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,000
well

1616
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,240
i have a slightly different answer and

1617
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:32,000
i'm i go back

1618
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,119
to my teens when i was at a meditation

1619
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,839
retreat with a lot of wonderful

1620
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:39,599
spiritual people

1621
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,880
and the subject of ufos and aliens came

1622
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,400
up and

1623
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,720
one older gentleman had a what i

1624
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,880
considered a brilliant comment that

1625
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:51,440
stuck with me he said

1626
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:54,400
they do not have nervous systems that

1627
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:57,440
support higher forms of consciousness

1628
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:58,880
like humans

1629
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,000
and that's what they're trying to attain

1630
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:04,960
it's not so much our physical bodies

1631
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,799
they want the ability to transcend

1632
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:10,559
like we do

1633
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:11,520
and

1634
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,480
i'm going to stick with that

1635
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:16,400
i'm so glad you said that because mr

1636
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,720
kinsella also mentioned that

1637
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,400
that um

1638
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,839
and again he

1639
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,520
he was such a brilliant speaker about

1640
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,680
this but he put it in such a way that

1641
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,400
this is just this this vessel if you

1642
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,039
will uh but that it it the consciousness

1643
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,960
and the way that he put it again was

1644
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,200
brilliant so hopefully uh people will

1645
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,680
check that out um

1646
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,319
linda before we say goodbye uh because

1647
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,839
you've been very gracious with your time

1648
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,680
we've gone six minutes over

1649
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:45,520
could you tell everybody about your

1650
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:48,880
radio show in the hudson valley etc

1651
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,760
yes it's called ufo headquarters and

1652
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:54,880
we're on hudson river radio and you know

1653
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,599
every podcast platform known in the

1654
01:07:03,510 --> 01:06:58,960
universe

1655
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:03,520
um but we like to concentrate on again

1656
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:03,890
um

1657
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:05,119
[Music]

1658
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:08,319
ufo witnesses interviewing them and talk

1659
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,520
about different you know in-depth topics

1660
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:14,480
each each episode so uh

1661
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,920
yeah hopefully people can tune in and um

1662
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,200
if you haven't

1663
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,520
uh had your fill of me in this show you

1664
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,480
can see me in my own show

1665
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,480
uh no i don't think it is

1666
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:28,240
i i want to do this so people could see

1667
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,920
the fire in the background but they

1668
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,200
can't see it

1669
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,119
anyway uh

1670
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,160
um no nobody's had their fill of you um

1671
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:37,520
actually you can see the fire right

1672
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:39,359
through there that nathan created that

1673
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:42,160
uh i'm sorry kev that we didn't get you

1674
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,160
in here uh this time

1675
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,319
um he's probably still coming home from

1676
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:48,720
work nathan is on the road

1677
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,400
um and you know linda i will have uh

1678
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,720
everything uh in the show notes your

1679
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,200
your link from amazon with all your

1680
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,520
books which is like i think three or

1681
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,920
four pages oh you know what

1682
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,920
real quickly before we let you go linda

1683
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,440
because otherwise i'm gonna have to call

1684
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,359
and bug you on your phone with this

1685
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,520
question and i know you don't want that

1686
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,480
the rock formations um that i see in the

1687
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,079
forest

1688
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,080
what is that all about man

1689
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:18,960
i think uh predominantly they are

1690
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:22,000
ancient native american structures which

1691
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,839
have

1692
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,120
astronomical alignments they were

1693
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:27,600
calendar sites spiritual sites

1694
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,000
ceremonial sites

1695
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,120
maybe something as simple as

1696
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,960
landmark

1697
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,480
locations

1698
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,199
but um they need to be studied and

1699
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,000
preserved because they are still being

1700
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:44,640
destroyed without being understood and

1701
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,520
appreciated and i think they are some of

1702
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,920
our greatest ancient treasures

1703
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,520
in this country

1704
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,199
and um

1705
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:55,679
they just have not gotten the respect in

1706
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,040
the northeast that they deserve

1707
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:00,799
and in the rest of the country for that

1708
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,120
matter

1709
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,199
i'm fascinated with them when i go when

1710
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,719
i whenever i come home i go to blue

1711
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:09,120
mountain reservation bucket list item

1712
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,560
might be to hike in blue mountain

1713
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,159
reservation with linda on one of these

1714
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,400
trips home that would be really cool

1715
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,480
uh because there's so much rock up there

1716
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:18,719
i just love it man uh if you know where

1717
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,110
i'm not i don't know the exact location

1718
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:26,880
no okay i'll send it to you on google

1719
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,000
maps okay yeah and and bring bring an

1720
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,400
emf meter or a compass with you because

1721
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,799
a lot of these sites were chosen because

1722
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,520
they have unusual electromagnetic fields

1723
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,600
or something going on at those sites

1724
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,520
they didn't just say here's a nice place

1725
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:44,000
let's move 10 tons of rock here they

1726
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:45,359
were chosen

1727
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,199
for specific reasons now i know cabbies

1728
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,279
know what to get me for christmas try

1729
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,759
field meters uh all right

1730
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,600
everybody i want to give

1731
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,000
steph a chance to say goodbye to linda

1732
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,320
yeah linda you're an inspiration and

1733
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,400
continue what you're doing we're all

1734
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,280
following you and you know i'm fairly

1735
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,679
new to this it's just something that

1736
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:09,920
came about as you decided to do it one

1737
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,520
day here we are so i i just appreciate

1738
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,360
your due diligence and how long you've

1739
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,960
been doing this for it's just it's super

1740
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:18,400
cool so it's been really cool chatting

1741
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:19,760
with you and thank you i really

1742
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:22,400
appreciate and obviously you are on the

1743
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,440
right path doing this work so um people

1744
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,520
need someone to speak to so thank you

1745
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,800
for what you do

1746
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,440
cool thank you

1747
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,360
my homegirl deb

1748
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,760
thank you very very much for coming and

1749
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,920
sharing your information and

1750
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:40,320
all the data you've collected um your

1751
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,440
insight

1752
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,600
with the world not just with us but your

1753
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,920
work is obviously sharing it with the

1754
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:47,520
world so thank you so much for what

1755
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,120
you're doing appreciate that thank you

1756
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,560
linda there's a lot of people that um

1757
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,320
would like to be called themself a

1758
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,560
published author and they will go and

1759
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:01,199
drink a lot of wine and champagne and or

1760
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,159
beer

1761
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:03,920
at a local tavern

1762
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,440
uh when they get their first book

1763
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,280
published and you've had that happen

1764
01:11:11,670 --> 01:11:09,280
probably better than ten times how many

1765
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,680
books do you have told over thirty 30.

1766
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,760
[Laughter]

1767
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,600
so when linda calls up they're just like

1768
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,600
all right linda whatever you got just

1769
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,520
send us the manuscript and we'll we'll

1770
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:22,080
give you a date to publish

1771
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,199
i love it

1772
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,679
that is so awesome uh it's an honor you

1773
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:26,960
were

1774
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,080
probably our first week or two

1775
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,560
uh when when nathan and i got together

1776
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,400
and decided that we were going to do

1777
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,400
this and that was uh

1778
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,719
incredibly kind of you to give

1779
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,120
two people and just for you guys out

1780
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,600
there in in podcast land

1781
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,000
two guys who were not known in the

1782
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,960
community at all and i called

1783
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:55,679
and i begged and linda

1784
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:58,159
and linda called me on the phone and

1785
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,080
i'll never forget being at work and

1786
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,400
normally like i'm i'm very nervous about

1787
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,560
answering the phone with air force and

1788
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,120
uh it was linda and i answered the phone

1789
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,360
and i made her laugh and she agreed to

1790
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:11,360
come on and i thank you for that linda

1791
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,640
really oh my pleasure um i'm i'm always

1792
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,280
happy to help and hopefully uh your 10th

1793
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,760
anniversary your 20th anniversary keep

1794
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:21,120
me in mind

1795
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,560
yes

1796
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,719
you couldn't come to the holiday party

1797
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,040
last year but we will invite you again

1798
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:29,040
this year it'll be somewhere around

1799
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,719
christmas new year's we'll have the cab

1800
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,800
holiday party everybody's going to come

1801
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,040
in for like a five minute two three

1802
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:37,679
minute spot or whatever so uh obviously

1803
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,080
uh that could any one of those spots for

1804
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,239
the two hours would is yours whichever

1805
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,360
one you want so thank you all right

1806
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,760
well thank you very much so far uh for

1807
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:50,640
obviously for linda for uh steph for

1808
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:54,159
debs this is dj give us a like give us a

1809
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:55,760
subscribe

1810
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,880
but most importantly peace

1811
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,560
one love

1812
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,560
we'll see you down the road we're always

1813
01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:05,520
wondering what's up around the bend